Markdown Version | Session Recording

Session Date/Time: 27 Mar 2023 08:30

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Summary

The meeting covered status updates from the chairs, discussed the use cases and problem statement document, the market on the optimization state of affairs document, and spent a significant portion of the meeting on the Bc handling Rc discussion, including next steps. Status updates were also provided from I and WPA, including a demonstration of open roaming and discussion of next steps.

Key Discussion Points

• Use Cases and Problem Statement Document (Jerome):
  • The document is considered fairly stable, though section 7 containing possible solutions to Rc is intended to be removed once a Bc document exists.
  • Jerome and Emilia have started extracting section 7 into a skeleton for a Bc.
• Market Normalization State of Affairs Document (Carlos):
  • Updates include a new policy, the "session meeting mac".
  • The title of the document is still under discussion whether to include "state of affairs" or not.
  • The document is potentially ready for working group last call, pending reviews.
• Bc Handling Rc Discussion:
  • Two proposals to start work on the Bc have emerged, one from Michael and another from Jerome and Emilia.
  • Michael expressed concerns about "poor hacks" maintaining the status quo and advocated for "real identities."
  • Discussion included the challenges of creating a persistent identifier without recreating the original privacy problems.
  • Alan D. noted existing work in Nancy, but progress is slow due to the need for input from both the IETF and the IEEE.
  • Dan Har expressed concerns about "hacks" that don't address real issues.
• I (IEEE 802.11) Status Update (Jerome):
  • 11bh and 11bi are working on RC issues. 11bh is targeting document completion by mid-2024. 11bi is targeting release in 2026.
  • 11bh is considering a scheme involving access points providing stations with an identifier.
  • 11bi is working on improving the privacy of 802.11 operations.
• WPA Open Roaming Experiment Summary (Jon R. and S.):
  • Open Roaming aims to provide seamless secure private network access.
  • The demonstration involved installing credentials (identity) on a device.
  • Mac address randomization can cause problems for provisioning services.

Decisions and Action Items

• Use Cases and Problem Statement Document:
  • Leave the document as is, until the Bc document is ready, then remove section 7.
  • Feedback to be sent to the mailing list.
• Market Normalization State of Affairs Document:
  • Carlos to incorporate feedback on title.
  • Get at least one or two reviews of the document before working group last call.
• Bc Handling Rc:
  • Coordinate with key stakeholders to schedule a more in-depth interim meeting on the Bc.
• WPA Open Roaming:
  • Work with WPA to set up Open Roaming as an experiment in the network for the next IETF meeting (IETF 117).

Next Steps

• Market Normalization State of Affairs Document: Interested parties to provide reviews and comments.
• Bc Handling Rc: Chair to schedule an interim meeting to discuss the Bc approaches in detail within the next 3-4 weeks.
• WPA Open Roaming: Plan and execute the experiment for IETF 117.
• Further discussion on all topics should continue on the mailing list.